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Old 10-25-2019, 04:50 PM
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Default Greybeard's Reef - rebooting -w- Zeovit

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I'm Greybeard. Been in and out of reefing since, what, 1986? Got a 3 year old reef that I've never really been happy with, and I'm going to reboot it. It's the reef i'm unhappy with, not the tank itself... the form and layout of the physical tank I'm quite happy with, but it's all softies, and I wanna go stix.

By reboot, I mean 'new'. New sump, everything in the sump is new, plumbing is new, tank emptied and sterilized. New rock (Real Reef), bare bottom. New. My fish are in a temporary tank, until their new home is ready for them.

Tank is 60" x 30" x 18", Peninsula.

Now, for that list
1. Gross water volume 180g US
2. Net water volume 150g US
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor BRS 2pt, Neptune DOS
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor No
5. Are you using Ozone No
6. Are you using UV No
7. What skimmer are you using Vertex Omega 180i, rated at 180g US
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 No water in the tank yet
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels No water in the tank yet
10. What filtration method do you use NA
11. Type of light 2x Kessel AP700's, AB Blue+ spectrum, turned way down.
12. What corals do you keep Will be SPS
13. Tissue color NA
14. How long has the tank been running Will be started in the next week or so
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system Have seen the results.
16. Any supplemental dosing No
17. Live rock 65 LBS 'Real Reef' rock...
18. Any present problems Dry tank, no problems
19. Problem description NA
20. What test kit do you use Mix of Red Sea, NYOS, and Hanna Checkers.
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals Planning from guide
22. Other water parameters and water stability 1.026 SG, 78f
23. Which salt brand do you use HW Marine Mix Reefer

And... what's left? Skimz ZAR157 Auto Zeovit Reactor, plan to run a bag of KZ branded carbon in the sump, I'm going to put a brand new 4x8" block of MarinePure in the sump, since I'm running bare bottom, with a fairly limited amount of rock. Lots of flow, I've got 4x 1900gph wave pumps.

Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself. If anyone has any suggestions that might make startup go more smoothly, I'd be happy to hear them.

And, how bout a photo, from right before I started the reboot:
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Old 10-25-2019, 11:46 PM
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Hi Greybeard



As it is a fresh system without animals which first needs to be cycled I would recommend you the following method for the cycle:

https://zeovit.com/forums/showpost.p...60&postcount=7

Instead of a Marine Pure Block I would prefer a shallow sand bed in the tank which will strengthen the systems biology, if this is not a option maybe some sand or some fresh live rocks in the sump would be my choice.

As you do not use live rock for your system the cycle will take more time, just something to keep in mind. This is not a issue for the fish but for more delicate corals which should not be added to early, maybe a couple of month after the start of the system.

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Old 10-26-2019, 01:20 AM
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I've reviewed the startup you linked to, and don't see any material changes from the Zeovit statup guide... excepting the sand bed. I would note that entering this forum tonight, I see Pawel Szember's tank.also without a sand bed. I'm not claiming relation to or the experience of Mr. Szember, but there appear to be a good many zeovit tanks without sand beds. Due to the high flow I intend to have with my SPS tank, a sand be just isn't going to work. If you look at the photo, you'll see that though there was a sand bed in my tank, it was very unattractive, due to high flow. I expect flow to increase with an SPS tank.

If a marine pure block is somehow inferior to live rock in the sump, I'm unaware of it, but I'm more than happy to look into the issue.
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Old 10-26-2019, 02:31 AM
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If it is me, I would also suggest that you use some sand (2~3cm) to stabilize the biological support, and the "concentration" of the coral color helps. Using some quality live rock does reduce this time.

Korallenzucht's initial 14-day cycle
Inside the description, I took it out to provide you with reference.
4. Live rock
It is important to use fresh, clean live rock. 10% of the contents of the tank will be placed in the tank after the live rock, followed by the sand bed

5. Sand bed
Now you can add a shallow sand bed. Use crushed coral sand or aragonite. Do not use Live Sand with the ZEOvit system. Soak the material in reverse osmosis water for 3-4 days before use and replace the permeate water daily. If the PO4 level of the water is close to zero, then the sand is ideal.

Everyone tastes different, but it does bring more benefits.

Marine pure block, I have no experience, usually in sump, live rock, ZeoVit material reactor, Zeo activated carbon, Skimmer, really enough。
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Old 10-27-2019, 01:25 AM
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A system does work without a sand bed no question, I just wanted to say that in my opinion a sand bed does strengthen the biology Biology is a very important thing if it comes to SPS corals. Many use a sand in the grain size of 3 – 5 mm which usually allow to have more than enough flow without moving sand.

Because of Pawels system, take a closer look at the first picture and you will see a shallow sand bed, a depth of 3 – 4 cm works well.

Please take a look at this thread:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/is...4#post-3814988

Does have some information about Marine Pure. Personally I would prefer fresh, good live rock instead of the material.

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:38 PM
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Ok, Bio filter active, fishes re-introduced and happy... Thanksgiving over...

Last night, I added Zeolite to my new reactor, and started dosing blue bottles. I'm sure, over time, I'm going to be more comfortable with this stuff, but the lack of precision really bothers me.

A quote from the Zeoguide:
"Zeobak: 2 - 4 drops per 25 gallons net water volume daily over a period of 2 weeks."

Sooo.... on a 150g system, that's a range of 12 to 24 drops per day for 2 weeks, totaling between 168 to 336 drops, or 8 to 16 ML initial dose. It's all like that... a wide range.

"Subsequently, dose 1 - 2 drops per 25 gallons net water volume once or twice weekly"

So... same system, 6 to 24 drops a week... Depending on what, exactly? Doesn't say.

Someone really needs to go over this guide from the standpoint of a new user.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:04 AM
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My recommendation to dose ZeoBac in a established system is 2 – 3 x weekly 1 drop / 25 US gallons, after each ZeoVit exchange 1 drop / 25 US gallons daily for 10 days.

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Old 12-05-2019, 09:34 AM
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G.Alexander: Thanks for the recommendation.

Established system: This is essentially a brand new tank, with enough of a bio filter built up to support fish, and a handful of fish. No corals, running unlit all but a couple of hours a day. I'm using the newly established tank guidelines, and watching Ammonia, Nitrite, and Nitrate carefully.

Ammonia and Nitrite are unmeasureable, Nitrate is high (> 60). I was planning a 20% water change on Saturday.

I'm not going to be adding corals for a couple of weeks yet.
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:57 AM
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If the system does not contain animals already I would recommend to start as described over here:

https://zeovit.com/forums/showpost.p...60&postcount=7

Start at #8

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Old 12-19-2019, 10:47 AM
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Current status:

16 days since starting Zeovit. Been following the Zeoguide for new tanks, unstocked. Pretty much through initial heavy dosing.

Before starting Zeovit, new tank, 3 weeks on Dr. Tims and Ammonia Chloride to start establishing a healthy bio filter.

Calc/Alk/Mag are being maintained via Trident system and DOS pumps, BRS 2pt. Stable.



Nitrate has been slowly falling, currently at 12PPM (via Nyos test kit).

Just started measuring Phosphate, currently at 0.39PPM (Hanna ULR).

Current stock: Scopas Tang, Tomini Tang, Spotbreast Angel, Clownfish, 3x PJ Cardinals, 2x Ochre Striped Cardinals, Melinarus wrasse. The bigger fishes are all juveniles.

Plan is to add a dozen or so small SPS corals this weekend. Frags from friends tanks, inexpensive, known healthy corals. I want to watch them for a month or three, keep things stable, before getting out the checkbook and ordering a bunch of expensive stix.

Hoping to see PO4 and Nitrates drop further.

Any suggestions?
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Old 12-20-2019, 03:23 AM
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Not really much you can do at this stage, the system still needs time to strengthen its biology. At the moment I would recommend to not add additional fish. Lets see how the corals are doing.

Make sure to run the zeovit reactor with continuous flow and the correct flow rate.

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Old 12-20-2019, 02:09 PM
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Not really much you can do at this stage, the system still needs time to strengthen its biology. At the moment I would recommend to not add additional fish. Lets see how the corals are doing.

Make sure to run the zeovit reactor with continuous flow and the correct flow rate.

G.Alexander
Fishes are all 'left over' from before my reboot... don't plan any additions any time soon.

Corals are going in on Sunday. Gonna raid some friends' tanks, frag out what's plentiful, SPS wise. Montipora, Stylophora, Pocillopora, Seriatopora, Acropora. Common enough stuff, should be a good indicator of tank health.

Oh, Zeo reactor is a Skimz ZAR157. I haven't measured it, but according to the manual, flow rates should be dead on, and it 'cleans' itself twice a day. 1.5l Zeolite.


Thanks for the input!
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I would recommend to measure the reactor flow, it can differ massive depending to the kind of material (grain size) just to make sure it is correct. Should be 150 US gallons per hour.

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Old 01-10-2020, 02:58 PM
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Just a quick update, Nitrates are measuring 5ppm (Nyos) and Phosphates at 0.11 (Hanna ULR). Significant drop in a few weeks.

What few corals I have are looking pretty good, colors brightening, polyp extension good. If I can keep things stable, right where I'm at for a couple of months, I'll be ready for a shopping spree at the spring frag fest
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Sounds good, thank you for your update.

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