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Old 01-08-2020, 01:09 PM
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Hi everyone,
I noticed that forgetting to dose the bacteria in the tank, the algae begin to proliferate exponentially, the rocks become dirtier and above them a patina of algae appears. the cyanobacteria also begin to appear. Is it possible that even if you forget the bacteria for a week, the tub immediately starts to get worse? the tank was started in July 2019...

I can understand the relation between bacteria and algae, but is it so fast??

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My experience is not good, here are some of my ideas

1. If you add iodine, then temporarily stop dosing, it nourishes Cyanos.

2. Significantly reduce the delivery of all nutritional supplements
(Green / brown traces on the rocks that appear to show excess nutrition. It's not clear what your nutritional product supplements are)

3. Verify that the zeolite reactor flow is correct

4. Try @Zeo Coral Snow 2ml / 25 US gal per day for 10 days and use a toothbrush to do more cleaning of the rocks while adjusting the skimmer wet

5. If you have Cyanons problem, you can also try the mixture [2ml Zeo CoralSnow / 25 US gal + 1 drop of Zeo Bac / 25 US gal] for 7 days, while cleaning with a toothbrush, adjust the skimmer moist.

What is the NP level and what is the base Zeo dose?

Looks like the bacterial membrane (carbon source) is not functioning properly with the ZeoVit material bacteria?
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Algae do usually just grow if nutrients are available, this can be in the water column or the substrate itself. Can you please post the actual nutrient concentrations of your system (PO4 and NO3), PO4 measured with a high sensitive test kit ?

Please also post the total net water volume of your system and your dosing regimen.

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Old 01-11-2020, 06:31 AM
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Algae do usually just grow if nutrients are available, this can be in the water column or the substrate itself. Can you please post the actual nutrient concentrations of your system (PO4 and NO3), PO4 measured with a high sensitive test kit ?

Please also post the total net water volume of your system and your dosing regimen.

G.Alexander
Thanks to all!!!!

My tank is 1400 liters about!

Value are:
KH 9.6 Salifert
K 350ppm Salifert
NO3 >1 Nyos
Ca 440 Hanna
Mg. 1270 Salifert
P 28 Hanna

my actually dosing program is:
1,2 zeostart - 1,0 ml Sponge - 1,0 ml Xtra - every day
13 drops ZeoFood and Zeoback twice a week
Use 1700 g of zeolite - 400. g Carbon

the tank starts 7 month ago

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Old 01-11-2020, 07:34 AM
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Zeolite dosage is 400 liters of water
Use 1 liter of zeolite (i.e. 1 bag)
1400 liters-approximately 3.5 packs of zeolite

If the corals are healthy, the reactor flow is about 1400 liters per hour

(Use a container, collect the reactor outlet for 30 seconds, volume x120, so you can get the hourly flow of the reactor)

Leave the zeolite in the filter for 4 weeks until you make your first replacement. This is the first change interval, and other intervals can be extended to 6-8 weeks.
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Zeo activated carbon, about 0.4 liters per 400 liters.
1400 liters, about 1.4 liters / Zeo activated carbon
Put 1.4 liters of activated carbon into the filter socks and keep them in a passive stream of water (replace every 30 days). Knead the carbon daily to keep the surface clean. Most users use korallenzucht toner to get perfect results.


1400 liters, Water purification
Zeo Bac, 14 drops, 2-3 times a week
Zeo Start 1.4ml x2, morning and evening
Zeo Sponge Power, 14 drops ,every other day
Zeo Food7, temporarily suspended
Xtra, stop adding

The basic water parameters seem to have a high nutrient level, which allows us to eliminate the accumulation of nutrients on the rocks, which I think is good. In addition, CoralSnow 28 ~ 30ml, every other day, I believe it is also a good choice. At the same time, toothbrushes are a good helper. Also, adjust the skimmer wet and clean the collection cup to make it more outlet.Adding some functional animals to support this process is also a great choice.

Salt + water, change 5 ~ 10% every week

Please make it as stable as possible and close NSW within the following range:

KH 6.5 – 7.5
Calcium 400-420 mg
Magnesium 1250-1300 mg
Potassium + ~ 380 mg

Stop the promotion of kh. Slowly lower Kh to 6.5 ~ 7.5. "Slow" is good for about 2 to 3 weeks.

Potassium, slowly increase to 380 ~ 400 mg, it is good to proceed slowly.

The above should work, listen to what G.Alexander said
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Thank you for the additional information, as Jacky already said your dosing regimen for a net water volume of 1400 liters is not correct so I would also recommended some changes:

ZeoVit – 3.5 Liters with a flow of 1400 liters per hour through the reactor, increase the quantity slowly step by step over a 4 – 6 week period.

Carbon (korallenzucht) – 1.4 liters passive flown

ZeoBac – 1 drops 2 x weekly

ZeoStart – 1.4 ml 2 x daily

SpongePower – 14 drops every other day

At the moment I would also not add ZeoFood, it can be used later once if the system runs nutrient poor stabile and corals start to get lighter tissue.

A additional option is BioMate, you can dose 28 drops 2 x weekly, additional 14 ml Coral Snow every other day for 2 weeks, followed by 14 ml 2 x weekly.

If you do not dose ZeoBac for one week usually there are not really visible issues so the problems you have described might have a additional reason.

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Old 01-12-2020, 11:49 AM
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Thanks to answer me Alexander!

I thought that I have to use less zeolite and carbon because I have few fish:
2 x Flavescens
1 x Gemmatum
1 x Achilles
2 x Sycorax
2 x Amblygobius phalaena
1 x Hexataenia

I have only sps frag e some lps, but 20 at all, I have only a big Ehrenbergi sarco.

For this reason I used less zeolite and carbon, my fear is that corals can die if the water is too much poor!!
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Old 01-12-2020, 11:50 AM
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Thank you for the additional information, as Jacky already said your dosing regimen for a net water volume of 1400 liters is not correct so I would also recommended some changes:

ZeoVit 3.5 Liters with a flow of 1400 liters per hour through the reactor, increase the quantity slowly step by step over a 4 6 week period.

Carbon (korallenzucht) 1.4 liters passive flown

ZeoBac 1 drops 2 x weekly

ZeoStart 1.4 ml 2 x daily

SpongePower 14 drops every other day

At the moment I would also not add ZeoFood, it can be used later once if the system runs nutrient poor stabile and corals start to get lighter tissue.

A additional option is BioMate, you can dose 28 drops 2 x weekly, additional 14 ml Coral Snow every other day for 2 weeks, followed by 14 ml 2 x weekly.

If you do not dose ZeoBac for one week usually there are not really visible issues so the problems you have described might have a additional reason.

G.Alexander
I will change in that dosage for all you say me!!
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Zeo Bac dose, I gave the wrong dose, sorry.

Please also keep in mind that in the next 4 to 6 weeks, it will increase gradually, not one-time arrival.

Don't worry, corals have better growth / health / color in malnourished environments.
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You can increase the dosage and the quantities slowly step by step over the next couple of weeks keeping a close eye to your corals.

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Old 01-13-2020, 09:39 AM
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Hello Giulio, sorry, hijacked your line, let me ask a question, thank you

G. I have a question. If there is no bacterial reproduction problem like the picture, then gradually increase the dose and quantity in the next few weeks, then whether Zeo Bac is performed for x10 days, or 2 to 3 times a week. How Zeo Bac should be administered is right. Thank you
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Old 01-13-2020, 11:52 AM
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You can increase the dosage and the quantities slowly step by step over the next couple of weeks keeping a close eye to your corals.

G.Alexander
yes thanks!! I will increase the doses until your dose settings...
i will keep you in touch!!

Thaks a lot...
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Old 01-13-2020, 12:00 PM
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Hello Giulio, sorry, hijacked your line, let me ask a question, thank you

G. I have a question. If there is no bacterial reproduction problem like the picture, then gradually increase the dose and quantity in the next few weeks, then whether Zeo Bac is performed for x10 days, or 2 to 3 times a week. How Zeo Bac should be administered is right. Thank you

I dose 10 drops Zeoback 2 times per week, but I think that the algae problem is caused by a wrong bacterial reproduction!! I don't know if add more zeolite and carbon cause a right equilibrium, I have to test it!!! What do you think!?
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:52 PM
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I can't tell you anything, but I agree with you. Zeostart is used in combination with zeobak (bacterial food), while zeobak is used in combination with zeolite.

Zeobak was originally established in your system to be administered once a day after the bacteria, and this dose was drastically reduced to once or twice a week
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