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Old 08-14-2018, 08:30 PM
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I have been in this hobby for over a decade and finally switched over. I was running a system that later trends would call the Triton Method with large Chaeto fuge about 35% of tank size. I had a stable system and some great success and also some possible old tank syndrome that had me frag tank out that was fairly mature.

I recently started this method as I had the start of a dino outbreak with low nutrients and cured dry rock that was not as forgiving as some live rock. To dismay of some here I cured issue with Dr. Tim's Waste Away and RedSea NOPX rather quickly along with filter socks. I seemed to fair better with UV off with this method. I recently got the Korallin Zucht 4l reactor and starter kit and will give it 6months try. I am leaving a chaeto reactor on as a back up though.

My tank is large for hobbyist as I have a basement TV room.

I am basically seeking to confirm my starting point on a low nutrient system and manage costs somewhat. Bacteria I will admit is out of wack and the main reason I am here. Dino bloom has been receding for 3 weeks now. I prefer growth over pastels as well going forward.

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) – 380 g
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) – 320 g
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique – NO
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) – No
5. Are you using Ozone – No
6. Are you using UV – Yes, at times - 80 watt Pentair
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) – Life Reef 36" with Mazzei air eductor, Sicce 5 Pro Pump. easy to set wet to skim
8.What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels – PO4 0.0 to 0.05 Hana Spectrometer; Nitrates 0 to 0.05 Nyos
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels – Ca 430ppm; Alk 150ppm; Mag 1480 ppm Salifert
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) – Pax Bellum Reactor; sump loaded with live rock
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.) – 4x Ecotech G3 Radion; want to get 4 ATI 60" bulbs too.
12. What corals do you keep – SPS; Clams; LPS in that order
13. Tissue color (light or dark) – Light
14. How long has the tank been running – 18 months
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system – Stability, Growth
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) – Zippo
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) – 160 BRS Pukani
19. Problem description - Dino Bloom
20. What test kit do you use - Salifert CA MG, Hanna KH PO4, Nyos NO4

21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals - Asking for guidance here
I have Zeobak, Coral Snow, ZeoFood7, Zeostart3, Coral Vitalizer, biomate

22. Other water parameters and water stability

Apex Classic; temp 79-80 with fan and heater
Ph 8.1 to 8.3
4 Drew's Doser Pumps with BRS 3 part
Abandoned Triton due to unavailability when reordering.


23. Which salt brand do you use – HW Marin
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:09 PM
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Hello, dino problem It seems to be helpful to let tank in the dark, and check the "hose" used in the pipeline, whether it can release the entire tank picture and sump picture.

Hydrogen peroxide also seems to reduce dino. It is not recommended to use germicidal lamps for the kz system.

Kz base balance 4, bak, sponge power, start3, kz zeolite. Use the kz system to recommend water parameters
kh 6.5~7.5,
ca 400~420,
mg 1250~1300,
k+~380
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:30 PM
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Kz zeolite
The water tank capacity of 400 liters per liter (100 US gallons) uses 1 liter of ZEOvit. Do not exceed 1 liter of ZEOvit flow per 400 liter (100 US gallons) filter per liter
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:00 AM
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First of all I would recommend to download the dosing guide from:

http://www.korallen-zucht.de/files/z..._english-1.pdf

It contains a lot of useful information and will be helpful to get a feeling for the dosage.

First start with the basics products to decrease nutrients:

1. Place 3 liter zeovit in a Zeo Reactor. Water flow around 320 US gallons per hour. Connect the reactor pump to a clock timer and run the reactor pump with a 3 hour on / 3 hour off / 3 hour on interval. Please make sure the zeolite is not exposed to air while the pump is switched off. Clean the material daily. Leave the zeolite 4 weeks in the filter until you do the first change out. This is the first changing interval, others could be lengthen to 6 – 8 weeks.

2. Place 1 liter activated carbon in a filter sock and keep it in a passive water flow in your sump, changed every 30 days. Knead the carbon daily to keep the surface clean. Most users get perfect results with korallenzucht carbon.

3. Dose 12 drops ZeoBac daily for the first 2 weeks, flowed by a 2 – 3 x weekly dosage of 12 drops. Dose 1.2 ml ZeoStart 2 x daily (morning & evening). Dose those in front of the Zeo reactor pump while it is switched on.

You can keep the algae and the algae reactor running as long as the algae do not die off because of the nutrient reduction. Many algae are doing well even in a nutrient poor environment but usually their growth is slower.

Later on you could use the additional products for coral coloration. Adjust your skimmer to skim wet, keeping it clean to export as much as possible. Do a weekly water change of 5 – 10 % with a good salt.

With the system it is not recommended to use UV so I would recommend to switch it off when you start with ZeoVit.

Basic water parameters looking good, try to keep them as stabile as possible close the NSW in the following ranges:

KH 6.5 – 7.5
Ca 400 – 420 mg
Mg 1250 – 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

For a nutrient poor environment K+ (potassium) seems to be a important element. I would recommend you to get a test kit for this element also, posting your results.

Because of the Dinoflagellate I would recommend to first see they go away over the next couple of weeks because of the system changes. To support this process it might make sense to dose 2.4 ml Coral Snow daily for 10 days pure additional. Please also check the quality of your RO water. A accurate TDS meter should show a ZERO reading.

The other products you already have can be used later.

This is a start-up dosage which might have to be adjusted later.

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Old 08-15-2018, 12:45 PM
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Thanks G.Alexander for the detailed and quick response. I appreciate your dedication here. I do see a few immediate concerns in the switch to this system.

First I am glad I check as I had Zeostart dosage wrong and will adjust. I used Eheim liquidoser that is now discontinued and 1.2ml is one rotation on a liquid doser attachment on a daily feeder typical for freshwater tanks with small pellets. Is another device like this better suited for daily ZeoStart3 dosing?I am not thinking a dosing pump running 2 min a day is relaible enough for such a small dosage.

As far as Potassium replacement goes, I prefer to stick with Salifert tests and replenish with Potassium Iodide solution instead of Potassium Chloride solutions. Is this a common question? Perhaps KI soltion is not enough to keep up?

My main start up question is after reading user manual, what is guidance or reaction to lowering zeobak or zeostart? I already have zero Nitrates and zero phosphates. I am aware of need to replace beneficial bacterial but was would be the taper down indicators.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:29 PM
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Hello, potassium iodide is a complex iodine containing some micro-potassium to supplement iodine, and potassium chloride is potassium. Bak=bacteria, start3=species food (carbon source), CNP, C (carbon), N (ammonia), P (phosphorus), zeolite helps balance (providing bacteria and food mulm), bacteria (different bacteria) And eat np. The interaction between ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart and Zeolite Filter Media (ZEOvit) leads to a reduction in nutrients and the establishment of a nutritional system. The stored nutrients are exhausted and the use of Bak / Food7 / Start is very low

Also don't forget that zeolite plays an important role. The zeolite exchanges sodium and potassium as ammonium ions. Zeo used in salt water prefers ammonia because ammonium is adsorbed by the crystal structure, and bacteria living on the zeolite send food to them. Therefore, by adding a carbon source, all the bacteria in the tank will get some extra food. However, because those bacteria on the zeolite are more likely to obtain ammonia than other bacteria in ammonia, and their amount far exceeds that of other bacteria, they can get a better "profit" from carbon addition.

There is another nutrient removal method in the zeolite filter. With the accumulation of bacterial biofilms, many nitrogen compounds are actually immobilized in the biomass and thus removed from the water. When the biofilm becomes too thick and tears, the skimmer may capture them, removing these biologically fixed nutrients from the water.

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Old 08-15-2018, 10:32 PM
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I understand role of system and nutrient reduction. I am interested in certain stability, all but secretive contents.

Are you able to respond to the questions I had above?
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Old 08-15-2018, 10:46 PM
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I understand role of system and nutrient reduction. I am interested in certain stability, all but secretive contents.

Are you able to respond to the questions I had above?
I don't quite understand what you mean. I think there is a question for answering your question. Maybe I understand the problem with your mistake. Let us listen to G.Alexander.
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Old 08-16-2018, 02:30 AM
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As far as Potassium replacement goes, I prefer to stick with Salifert tests and replenish with Potassium Iodide solution instead of Potassium Chloride solutions. Is this a common question? Perhaps KI soltion is not enough to keep up?

My main start up question is after reading user manual, what is guidance or reaction to lowering zeobak or zeostart? I already have zero Nitrates and zero phosphates. I am aware of need to replace beneficial bacterial but was would be the taper down indicators.
If you have to increase the potassium level PIF does not work as the potassium concentration in the product is to low to have any measurable impact. You might try K-Balance Strong instead.

Once if the system does run nutrient poor stabile you usually can lower the ZeoStart dosage a little bit without having any negative impact to nutrients or corals but I would not go lower then 2/3 of the recommended quantity to keep the biology stabile.

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Old 08-16-2018, 11:42 AM
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I have Salifert test kit coming to target 380 ppm and will run this basic for two months.

The only change I made is biomate 2x per week and coral snow 4x per week added until gone. Dino is definitely receding. Snails I had for 2 years faired poorly.

So from reading next step is to change food source to separate components ZeoFood blend when I want of Zeofood is used up?
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:32 AM
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Once your system runs nutrient poor stabile and corals tissue does start to become lighter because of the decreased nutrients it makes sense to use additional products to fine tune corals coloration and growth. ZeoFood is just one of the possibilities. If you like to give it a try it is usually dosed 2 x weekly @ 1 drop / 25 US gallons. It does contain some kind of coral food and does also nourish bacteria.

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Old 08-19-2018, 10:02 PM
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Well kit had Zeofood and I wanted to feed more in general, so I will use that. Nitrates and phosphates are near zero. I feed spirulina pollock frozen cubes, reef frenzy, and nori. I also started reef roids, or freeze dried marine plankton.

Water clarify improved and dino are mostly gone, so pleased with that. I also have a 1.5" thick acrylic tank so I prefer to clean tank walls less if possible,To be honest I started system with out reactor and will add that next week. I wanted the bacteria in the tank first. I don't think it will matter long term.

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