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Old 08-05-2016, 11:24 AM
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Our tank is now up and running and are ready to add the first zeozit dose. Since our tank is mostly dead rock do we need to cycle the tank by causing an ammonia spike followed by nitrite and nitrate, or should we try to avoid this when using zeovit? Tank details as follows|

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 237 litres
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 190 litres
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique - no
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) - no
5. Are you using Ozone - no
6. Are you using UV - no
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) - vertex omega 130, rated for 380 litres
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels - not tested yet
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels - not tested yet
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) - none
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.) - ecotech radion xr30w pro
12. What corals do you keep - none yet
13. Tissue color (light or dark) - n/a
14. How long has the tank been running - 2 days
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system - low nutrients, coral colour
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) - none yet
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) - 35 lbs dead rock, 5 lbs live rock
18. Any present problems - none
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) - n/a
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) - n/a
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.) - none yet
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.) - 1.025, 78 degrees f
23. Which salt brand do you use - Red Sea blue bucket

We have currently installed 0.5 litres of zeolites into the vertex rx1.5 zeovit reactor and have it running at 150 litres per hour. Would you recommend altering from the new tank guide for dosing zeobak, zerostart, and zeofood, I do not have sponge power, is it required?

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Old 08-05-2016, 11:48 AM
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I also have KZ carbon which I plan to utilize once livestock is added.
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Old 08-06-2016, 12:50 AM
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Here you can find a step by step guide for the cycle, please keep in mind it can just be used if there are no animals in the system already:

http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showpos...60&postcount=7

As you do not use live rock the cycle will take much more time. If possible I would recommend to add 20 – 30 % fresh good quality live rock additional.

The ZeoVit reactor flow is a little bit to low, would recommend to increase it to 200 liters per hour. Run the reactor with continuous flow.

ZeoFood can be used later if necessary, to fine tune coral coloration.

Do also not use Live Sand, it does not work very well in combination with ZeoVit.

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Old 08-06-2016, 05:31 PM
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Thank you G. Alexander. I have completed the initial dose except for the sponge power which I do not have, do I need this?

Does the zeovit cycle replace the need to go through the nitrogen cycle being ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? Should I be causing an ammonia spike to also cycle the tank in this manner at the same time?
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:08 PM
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After a little more reading it sounds like the zeobak and zerostart will cause the tank to run through the nitrogen cycle? I've tested the tank 24 hours after the initial dose and do not have any ammonia, nitrite, or nitrates present. What should I be looking for to ensure a healthy start up of a new tank?
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Old 08-07-2016, 12:08 AM
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SpongePower has a positive side effect to the biology of the system, this is why it is used for the cycle additional. I would recommend you to get a bottle and start dosing once 2ml, than 4 drops daily for 2 weeks, than 2 drops daily.

If you do not have issues with algae and if nutrient levels also the basic water parameters are fine after 2 weeks you should be able to add the first test coral. Around day 10 you can also add herbivore like snails.

To be honest, I never measured ammonia.

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Old 08-08-2016, 12:19 AM
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Here you can find a step by step guide for the cycle, please keep in mind it can just be used if there are no animals in the system already:

http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showpos...60&postcount=7

As you do not use live rock the cycle will take much more time. If possible I would recommend to add 20 30 % fresh good quality live rock additional.

The ZeoVit reactor flow is a little bit to low, would recommend to increase it to 200 liters per hour. Run the reactor with continuous flow.

ZeoFood can be used later if necessary, to fine tune coral coloration.

Do also not use Live Sand, it does not work very well in combination with ZeoVit.

G.Alexander
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I've noticed that lately it is recommended to run the reactor with a continuous flow, however I cannot find that recommendation in the ZEOvit guide. Why would you run thr reactor continuously and when would you change back to the 3 on, 3 off schedule?
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Old 08-08-2016, 04:00 AM
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The temporary interval is used just if a already stocked system is converted to ZeoVit, otherwise it is recommended to run the reactor with continuous flow.

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Old 08-08-2016, 04:00 PM
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The temporary interval is used just if a already stocked system is converted to ZeoVit, otherwise it is recommended to run the reactor with continuous flow.

G.Alexander
Oh. Ok. That could explain why my tank has had some algae issues. Thank you.
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:41 PM
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Hello again!

We are now on day 20 and would like to add a couple crabs, snails, and two clownfish tomorrow. Could you please advise us if this would be ok at this stage?

We have not had any diatom or cyano blooms, we have had minimal long hair algae on the rocks (rocks were soaked for a long time before entering the tank), and have not noticed any signs of life on/in the rocks.

Information to date is as follows:

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 237 litres

2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 190 litres

3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique - no

4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) - no

5. Are you using Ozone - no

6. Are you using UV - no

7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) - vertex omega 130, rated for 380 litres

8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels - PO4-0.086ppm, NO3-0

9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels - Alk=7Dkh, PH=7.8, K=380

10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) - none

11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.) - ecotech radion xr30w pro

12. What corals do you keep - none yet

13. Tissue color (light or dark) - n/a

14. How long has the tank been running - 20 days

15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system - low nutrients, coral colour

16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) - none yet

17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) - 35 lbs dead rock, 5 lbs live rock

18. Any present problems - none

19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) - minimal long hair algae

20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) - Red Sea, Salifert, Hanna Phosphorus

21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit (0.5L), ZEObak (2 drops 3/week), ZEOfood (0), ZEOstart (0.2mL 2/day), Spongepower (2 drops/day), etc.) - all initial dosing was followed.

22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.) - 1.025, 79 degrees f

23. Which salt brand do you use - Red Sea blue bucket
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:42 PM
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No ammonia cycle was initiated or detected. Strictly ZEO products have entered the tank.
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:19 AM
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Things are looking good, I do not see a reason why you can not add the animals as planned.

Around week 4 I would recommend to do the first zeovit exchange, replace just 50% of the material the first time, after the replacement dose ZeoBac daily for 10 days again.

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Old 08-26-2016, 10:04 AM
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Perfect, thank you for the quick reply! We will provide updates as we go.
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Old 08-31-2016, 05:09 PM
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We added 2 gladiator clowns, they were fine the first night and next day. Day after the one was breathing heavy and not eating and died half a day later. The second then stopped eating immediately after the other died and is now breathing very heavily and has also lost a lot of colour. It's now day 5 and it does not look good. I have no clue what could be going wrong as all parameters are in check. Fish were acclimated to the tank over the course of an hour. Any thoughts????
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Old 09-01-2016, 03:13 AM
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Hard to say over the distance, are you sure the fish do not had any kind of a pest ? Your dosing regimen and everything else is looking good to me, anyways the system is still building up its biological processes which in your case will take more time as you have not used 100% live rock.

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