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Old 09-17-2017, 12:19 PM
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Default Planning new tank - Need advice

Hello,
I'm Lionel, 29 y/o and I live near Brussels, Belgium.
First of all pardon my English, it is not my native language.

The tank I'm planning is still in an early stage. I'd love your suggestions, advice and so on. I'd probably start on the tank in february, since I have a trip planned in january.

I currently have a slightly smaller tank (150x60x70cm) and would like to upgrade to 150x70x70cm, so a bit deeper (not higher).

Why the small upgrade?
I like the size, it's not to small, nor to big. Just like to have some more depth.

The current tank has a lot of issues, but mainly its the super small overflow.
It's more or less 15cm wide with small overflow tubing (25mm). I have the impression debris is not making it to the overflow enough to be filtered out.
I'd like the new tank to have a much wider overflow (50cm) and bigger overflow piping, so i could increase the tank turnover if needed.

The sump is also not very well designed, there is no room for mechanical filtration. I'd like the new sump to be able to house filter-socks so that I can catch the debris that makes it to the sump.

The rockwork has to be re-done since it is not flow friendly and not ideal for placing corals. There's also a pink carpet like coral encrusting EVERYTHING.

I'd like to incorporate a controller, go ZEOVit,...

So long story short, I want to upgrade.

Here is a quick scetch of what I'd like:

The smaller tank on the left is a planted tank, do not take into consideratrion


Some of the current equipment will be used on the new tank.
This equipment will be preceded by an * in the list below.

LIGHTNING
* 3 x AI Hydra 52's on their tank mounts

RETURN
2 x Jebao DCP-10.000 (I allready have one for 3 weeks now, so might change if I don't like it)
I'd use 32mm PVC pipe for this
In the display there will be 1/2" loc-line with a straight flow nozzle

FLOW
* 2 x Maxspect gyre (I don't remember which models i have, but they are sufficient)
4 x Tunze 6020(small flow pumps just to keep things moving behind the rockwork)

SUMP
Water comes in through three 40mm return pipes, better safe than sorry
flows over the first weir to go through the filter socks and in the skimmer area
Skimmer is an * ATI powercone 200is, which I really like
As for the Zeo reactor I think of buying the Vertex RX-Z 2.0.
I really like the idea of having an automatic one, but budget won't allow it.
Might upgrade in the future
After that, water flows over to the pumps. 2 pumps for redudancy. Since they are DC controllable, I can set them lower or higher if needed.

RIGHT OF SUMP

* Deltec PF501 calcium reactor fed by a Aquamedic peristaltic pump
Jerrycan for ATO (not pictured)

CONTROLLER AREA

(Left of sump)
I'd like a controller, to monitor and control some functions, since I'd like some peace of mind when I'm not home. Being at work or on holiday.

So this is what I'm thinking of
GHL Proflux 4
pH sensor (kit) -> For the calcium reactor
Redox sensor (kit)
Conductivity sensor (kit)
Temperature sensor (kit) -> controlling fans/heaters
powerbar (kit)
extra powerbar
Float and optical sensor (for ATO)
Propeller control (for the fan)

* 2 x Chinese made dosing pumps, might upgrade to GHL

I think that's about it, equipment wise.
Might try and look for third party controllers (ice cap) to control the gyres and jebao pumps with profilux. Might try to make a DIY skimmer neck cleaner.

If you think of something, don't by shy, just ask or tell me!

More sketches down below!

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - 830 liter
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - 730 liter approx.
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique Yes, Calcium Reactor
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) No
5. Are you using Ozone No
6. Are you using UV No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) ATI PowerCone 200IS 500-1,000 liter
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels / planning stage
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels / planning stage
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) None
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.) 3x AI Hydra 52 HD
12. What corals do you keep Planning to keep SPS mostly
13. Tissue color (light or dark) /
14. How long has the tank been running /
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system Stunning Corals
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) /
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) Will start with old rock
18. Any present problems Planning stage
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) /
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) /
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.) /
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.) /
23. Which salt brand do you use Planning on using KZ salt






QUESTIONS
- I'm not sure on the sand bed, I wouldn't like anything sugar sized since I'd like sufficient flow, what type do you advice, and how much?
- Since I'm going to start with the rock I have, after I've bleached and cooked/cycled it. I wont make the 14day cycle, which is ok, I don't mind the wait. Should I "ghost feed" the tank, or add a shrimp to kick start the cycle? or are the ZEO products going to do that for me.
- If anyone has an AI Hydra 52 HD presets that works wonders for his corals, let me know

I'm sure I'll have more questions coming once we are closer to d-day.

I'd really like some input or opinions, my first/previous tank was a ****ty plug-and-play tank, now I'm pumping quite some funds into this one, so i'd like it to be perfect

Tank you all!
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Old 09-18-2017, 01:48 AM
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Hi liostar



Recommend you to cycle the system as follows:

http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showpos...60&postcount=7

A shallow sand bed of dry aragonite in the grain size of 2 4 mm works very well. A depth of 3 5 cm is enough. Make sure to soak the material very well before using it tp prevent leaching PO4.

Good luck for your new project

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Old 09-18-2017, 01:54 AM
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Hey Alexander,
Thank you for the information.
I've read the cycle, just not going to start with live rock. My current rock is full of gunk so I'm going to bleach it and might give it an acid bath.
Don't worry, I'll rinse it thoroughly before adding it to the tank.
So if I'm not mistaken, i just follow the 14day cycle but wait for the ammonia spike?


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Old 09-18-2017, 01:55 AM
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The cycle is the same with dry material but much more time will pass until the system is cycled. From my experience this can take up to a couple of month so some patience will be necessary before adding the first animals.

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Old 09-18-2017, 02:07 AM
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Yes, that's what I've thought. But like I've said, I don't mind. Better start it good.


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Old 09-19-2017, 03:30 AM
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The overall plan is to get as much stability as possible.
That's why I'd like as much possible things to be automated, without breaking the bank off course.

The calcium reactor will have a controllable peristaltic pump and will be hooked up to profilux with a ph sensor and magnet valve, so that I can have greater control over the addition of calcium and KH.

I will add a dosing pump so that I can dose the elements automatically.

Temperature will also be controlled by profilux.

Are there any other things I can do to maintain stability as much as possible?

Next to the elements that are dosed, light, flow and temperature. Are there any other things I should keep in mind to maintain stable and optimal for the corals?

Main goal is to keep SPS corals. Might go for LPS and zoa's but mainly sps


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Old 09-20-2017, 04:49 AM
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Just keep in mind the much you automate the more can fail and if that happen when you are not around it can become a real difficult problem.

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Old 09-20-2017, 05:05 AM
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Yes, I'm aware of that.
I'm currrently using dosing pumps who resets after a power outage.
It doesn't happen often, but when it does, the pumps resets and I only figure it out after a couple of days.

It will just be as a back up if I'm going on holiday or anything.
And I'm planning on using redundancy as much as possible.
- Two heaters if one fails
- Battery back up on the stream pumps
- leak detection
- ...

On an other note.
I've just recieved a price-offer from the aquarium builder.
I'm still debating myself if I'm going to use optic-white glass (low-iron glass) or not.

Does anyone who has seen this seen a clear increase of clarity/visibility or any other factor that can justify the cost of using this glass instead of normal.?
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Old 01-25-2018, 01:52 AM
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So I'm back again,
With all costs calculated, it was cheaper and just plain easier to go for a ready-build tank.

So I'm going to buy the Red-Sea Reefer XXL 750.
For the equipment I'm going to have some changes aswell but will get more in to detail once I'm 100% sure of everything.

Getting the KZ substrate is not easy, and very expensive to ship it, so I'm getting another one.

I'm still searching the forums to see which products I can dose automatically since I'm not home everyday
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Old 01-25-2018, 02:09 AM
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Most important thing is to dose ZeoStart daily which can be done with a doser. Other products which do not need to be shaken before usage, do not contain bacterial strains and do not need to be stored in the fridge can usually also be dosed automatically but dosing them manually every couple of days is really not a time consuming process. Moving the zeovit (cleaning) in the reactor should also be done 2 x daily but if you miss it one day it will also not be a real issue.

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Old 01-25-2018, 02:16 AM
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Thanks for the quick reply.
Yes the non-Daily dosings will be performed manually as well as the shaking of the zeolites.

The manual says to dose zeobak, zeostart and spongepower in the beginning.
Since I dont have the products at the moment, Im not sure yet which one I could automatically dose.

Besides zeostart, can I automatically dose spongepower, pohls xtra, coral vitalizer and stylo-poci-glow?


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Old 01-25-2018, 02:47 AM
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So let me go more in-depth with this new tank

TANK
Red-Sea REEFER XXL 750 Black

SUMP
Provided with the tank
I will remove the refugium divider since no fuge is needed in this system.
Allowing for more room for my skimmer and reactor

Skimmer will be the ATI Powercone 200is which I have
Reactor will be the Vertex Rx-Z 3.0 with sufficient media
Deltec Calcium reactor
Titanium heater
Filter socks

CONTROLLER
Like mentioned above, I'm not always home so I want to be able to control and monitor things when I'm not there.
So this is on the list:
GHL Profilux 4
pH sensor for the Calcium-reactor
Redox sensor (in kit)
Conductivity sensor (in kit)
Temperature sensor Controlling the heater/fans
2 powerbars
Propellor Control to drive the fans
KH Director which will control the Calcium Reactor
Doser 2.1 (one for the KH Director and one for dosings)

LIGHTNING
3 x AI Hydra 52's on their tank mounts

ROCKS & SUBSTRATE
I'm going to bleach my current live rock, which is encrusted with a carpet like coral who ruined my tank. After bleaching, rincing etc, i'll test for PO4. If there are phosphates leaching for the rocks, I'll do an acid dip.
This means I'm starting with dead rock and will have a (very) long start up, which I don't mind. I've been very hasty with my previous tank and want to take time with this one.

I wanted to go with the KZ substrate, but my LFS didn't cary it. Having it shipped is very expensive so I'm going to buy another brand of 2-5mm aragonite substrate.
Planning on buying two bags of 25kg and see if that's enough/too much.

CORALS
There will be ONLY SPS and LPS corals in this tank, no softies/shrooms/zoa's/... I'm done with that, I've had some invasive carpet corals ruining my other corals, crawling everywhere and trapping loads of gunk so in no way is there anything like that entering the tank.

FISH
I'm not sure about that.
My current tank has 2 clownfish, a powder blue tang (which i love) and a mandarin.
I've learned a hard lesson a year ago to quarantine fish.

INVERTS / CLEAN-UP-CREW
I have no idea if this is really necessary.
So any advice would be appreciated on what kind(s) I can or need to add.

QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - 750 liter
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - 700 liter approx.
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique Yes, Calcium Reactor
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) No
5. Are you using Ozone No
6. Are you using UV No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) ATI PowerCone 200IS 500-1,000 liter
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels / planning stage
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels / planning stage
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) None
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.) 3x AI Hydra 52 HD
12. What corals do you keep Planning to keep SPS and LPS
13. Tissue color (light or dark) /
14. How long has the tank been running /
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system Stunning Corals
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) /
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) Will start with old rock
18. Any present problems Planning stage
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) /
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) /
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.) /
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.) /
23. Which salt brand do you use Planning on using KZ salt
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Old 01-26-2018, 02:04 AM
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Coral Vitalizer is recommended to be stored in the fridge plus it has to be shaken before use so dosing it automatically is not working with it. The other products you have mention can be dosed with a dosing system but keep in mind that those alter have to be dosed on a 2 x weekly basis if the system runs nutrient poor stabile. PociStyloGlow needs to be dosed daily for 2 weeks, than a dosing break of 2 weeks etc.

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Old 01-26-2018, 02:24 AM
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Thanks for your advise.
Ill only hook up the ones that have to be dosed daily on the dosing pumps probably.
And the ones that have to be stored in the fridge will indeed not be dosed automatically


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Old 04-04-2018, 02:17 AM
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So,
Less than a month ago I've started my tank.
As stated in this topic, I'm using dead-rock so I'm taking more time to start up.
I've been following the 14 day cycle, but will do this in more than 14 days.

I've had some brown algae covering my sand and rock, and some (dark) green algae covering my glass.
This is all gone now.

I've been testing my water with salifert and have performed an ICP test.
But I do have questions, which parameters should we aim for?
Some are mentioned in the guide, but maybe I'm reading over the others

Ca 410 - 430 mg
Mg 1250 - 1300 mg
KH 6.5 - 7.5 dKH
K 380 - 400 mg
Salinity 33 - 35 ppt

Phosphate?
Nitrate?
Iron?
Iodide?
Strontium?
and others?
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